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Why does this article use both masculine and feminine adjectives for Leo? 75.65.184.166 04:49, January 17, 2010 (UTC)curious passerby



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Because some think it's a girl and some other think it's a boy.


Because Leo's gender is a mistery (and on purpose). If you've actually read the article you wouldn't have asked this question. Fuel Synchron 22:52, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

People, stop adding birthdays to characters. It's really misguiding, and stupid.


It is a boy.

After checking several OFFICIAL translations on Tekken's official website, in languages that can not be neutral, Leo is always identified as a boy, even on his story page.


So the very least would be to remove "her" in sentences like "her fighting style" on the page ... and the translation fact should be added to trivia.

Oh and I forgot, CHANGE THE ACTUAL GENDER... It might be complicated, but more things point out to Leo being a boy... So why would he be a girl exactly ? People can have their own opinion, but judging facts only, it's impossible to see Leo as a girl so while no definite answer is given (if you don't think there's enough proof) he sould be listed as a male.Ataradesu (talk) 23:37, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

That guy is wrong. Do you know why does the OFFICIAL translations in other languages list Leo as him? Because in other countrys, such as mine (Brazil), WE DON'T HAVE a specific neutral pronoun. We use "ele". Ele means "he", "him". This is OUR neutral pronoun, and probably english is a exception for 'oh hey we have a neutral yay!' Now stop discussing, specially with this [[1]] (link is with error, just remove anything after the .jpg). Or I'll get mad, seriously. I'm even sure that Harada already twitted 'LEO IS A GIRL YAY'. Redside12 (talk) 00:37, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


Yeah, there's no mystery anymore, people, Harada confirmed Leo's a girl at the German showing of Blood Vengeance. He even revealed her full name is Eleonora. A female name. So we can stop it with the gender neutrality in the article. 70.27.72.21 05:35, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

^You are a bit too late, we already stopped with this a long time ago.195.67.78.50 09:30, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

about the name:

greetings from germany, just want to add that "leo" is also quit common for "leonie" in germany.

leonie is one of the most common names for females starting back in 1970 and in topspot from around 1990-1995 till now.

same goes for the male version "leon" the male nr.1 name from 1994-1998 till now.

basically "leo" is used by both male and female, and it's really quit common.



217.231.62.147 23:51, December 21, 2012 (UTC)lalala


Leo is definetly a guy. I'm from Germany an when you hear him speaking in Tekken Tag Tournament 2 you can notice that he has the voice of a male teen! Ok, you can say thats just a synchronized voice. But I think the developers would have enough money to choose a female voice if they want :D


Are you kidding. Harada confirmed it's a she. One of the DEVELOPERS confirmed in a tweet that she's a girl, her full name is ELEONORA which is a FEMALE name and you're here typing this in the talk page? Like, wow. I give up. Redside12 (talk) 01:37, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Tekken 6 voice

What proof do you have that Taylor was her voice?  Yes she did voice for Dissidia, but that doesn't automatically mean she's this character.  The voice hardly resembles hers.  I may not have a substitute to back up my claim, but I'm sure of at least this much: that's not Veronica Taylor, just as T6 Endings Christie wasn't Laura Bailey. HubStyle (talk) 01:57, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Do you have proof that it isn't? Or is this just failure to realize Taylor can in fact do more voices than just her own and Ash Ketchum's? TheSwedishElf (talk) 14:47, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

Gender


The official websites have made LEO a male fighter. 

http://eu.tekken.com/#!/en/characters

http://us.tekken.com/#!/en/characters

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Yu-Narukami (talk) 03:19, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

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As you can see Leo is in the Male fighter's

Yes, and she has male customs in 7 (including the goatee) and is affected by Heihachi's headbutt carnival. Now, what's your point? Toilethead101 18:41 27 January, 2016

Tekken Tag Tournament 2


First of all is non-canon so is the statement on LEO's gender.

Second is why put LEO as a male fighter on the official websites if the "She" is female.

Third as you stated has "Male costumes".

So give more ammunition.

Suggestion on how to approach Leo's gender

Bringing up the suggestion of not placing a gender in the infobox or in the rest of the article until a definitive statement for Leo's gender can be found. If it comes up in Tekken 7, then we could use that (with a screencap for documentation of course).

Yes, Leo has a female body and has bikini options in TTT2. But considering it is technically non-canon -- plus there is still the possibility of the character being transgender -- it can still be considered murky territory. Once it was stated that Harada said they were female in an interview, but naturally I think don't we shouldn't place that here until the source can be actually be linked to in the references.

The discussion of Leo's gender is in the trivia instead, anyways. Perhaps it could be instead cleaned up and placed into an actual section of its own? Since it still is a factor of the character and should be made clear (since the whole point of a wiki is to objectively present all known information about a subject). Just list the objective things about the characters gender/gender-related portrayal such as the clothing options, what pronouns are used in each game, etc. etc.. Things like "I live in Germany and they sound like a german boy" or "There's no way a man wears pants like that" aren't objective.

What do you guys think?

Reimeille (talk) 04:21, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Christ, cause GOD KNOWS a cisgendered woman can't be masculine in this Tumblr age of the internet, right? Pretty sure Harada announcing to a huge live audience that she's a girl named Eleonore is proof enough, no matter how many people whine "BUT TTT2 ISN'T CANON!" You do realize her initial androgyny was a test, right? A test to see if they could make a female character who gets popular without being cutesy or sexualized? TheSwedishElf (talk) 05:18, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Stop getting so triggered. All I'm saying is don't post information without a reference. That's how this works anyways. You can say "Harada said it" all you want, but don't alter the page until you can reference it with documentable proof. Use the reference button, post the link to where he said it, and then add a Reference table at the end of the page. Can't do that, don't edit the page. It's that simple.

Let me amend this by saying I don't actually care what gender Leo is -- I called them a she for more than half a decade anyways :V You seem to think this is a "Tumblr" thing, when its just a fact-checking thing. Whether you like to hear it or not, some people in this world (& in fictional ones) consider themselves non-conforming to basic concepts of gender. And we don't know whether Harada intended that for this character. You haven't debated that so far. "YOU'RE ACTING LIKE YOU'RE ON TUMBLR" isn't a counter-argument; it's whining.

If Leo's a woman and you can put a reference to it, everything is fine. What Harada says is what goes. But you can't expect a page explicitly used to document canon to accept something because an anonymous person going only by "The Swedish Elf" comes by and says "Harada said it to a live audience" without any further proof. If he said it to an audience, post the video. If you can't find the video, just don't add that information if/until you can. I'm sure everyone can agree that's fair??

Reimeille (talk) 03:13, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Search up "Leo Female Tekken", you'll get images of Leo in a bikini for Tag 2's customization. Unless Leo has Gynecomastia (The disorder that causes men to grow breasts due to some surge in estrogen), there is no way breasts can be contested. Link to Harada actually confirming it back at Germany [2]

User:Toilethead101 (talk) 20:53, December 28, 2016 (PST)

Here's another source for y'all, Reimeille: ELEONOR AIN'T A BOY'S NAME. And I think it's hilarious that someone is now actually trying to argue that they didn't make Leo androgynous for that purpose or that whether Harada actually said what he did or not is up to debate.

PS. Not conforming to gender norms =/= being transsexual or nonbinary or whatever. Tomboys have existed in life and media for a very long time, pal. You just made yourself look even more like a Tumblrina there, in fact, cause they LOVE to proclaim that it's time to put an end to stereotyping and judging someone's identity or sexuality by their lack of conforming to gender roles and then go "Oh, x doesn't conform to certain gender norms and has certain physical traits? Well then, that MUST mean they're y!" TheSwedishElf (talk) 07:29, December 29, 2016 (UTC)


I saw this Tweet of Harada about Leo. [2] I tried to translate it to understand what there was written. There's a fan who made a question about Leo's gender and Harada stated that Leo's gender is officially unknown. How can you see there still are people who are confused about the character's gender also after the announcement.

Daniele199 (talk) 12:31, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Leo is referred to as he/him in the newly-launched English Tekken 7 website . Considering this is the most recent canon entry in the series, either this means that: it was a typo/miscommunication, Leo's appearance in TTT2 (re: the bikini) is non-canon and the character is a cis-gendered male, or Leo is female-to-male transgender. Like I said about half a year ago :)

This doesn't preclude Leo having different genders in different regions (a sort-of Poison scenario, for those who play Street Fighter), and therefore the character could still be either cis female or "unknown" in Japan. But since the TTT2 appearance was still released in the English region, it would mean that (at least in the English territories) the scenarios I listed above are the only possibilities. And as this is the English wiki, it's relevant to this page even if it's not the original Japanese.

Reimeille (talk) 18:33, May 24, 2017 (UTC) 

Another thing i want to add: in this image you can see all Leo's personal customizations (not common clothes given to all characters). At the bottom you can see that Leo has got a vintage swimwear with pectorals shape and muscular legs (different from the bikini)


Daniele199 (talk) 21:56, May 26, 2017 (UTC) <p style="margin-bottom: 0cm">

You guys know that arguing over his/her gender is pointless in the first place because

1. The purpose of Leo is to be a genderless character that anyone can enjoy

2. Regardless of the clothing style that occurs in 7, when 8 comes out they're just going to change the style to female again to keep players from settling on whatever gender (which, I repeat is unimportant) Leo is.

Vostok Apollo (talk) 23:55, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Alright guys. I read a Japanese article[3] about Leo and I found and interesting thing. Leo never has been female. But neither male. Harada said that he when was creating the character he was going to make a German girl called Eleonore Kliesen. But when he saw from the concept arts that Leo had been drawn as a young boy he decided instead that it would have been funny to make him ambiguous. As matter of fact, in Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Leo has got two swimsuits: a male swimsuit and a female bikini. That’s because it’s a player’s choice to make Leo male or female: Leo has simply an unknown gender. At the Premiere of Blood Vegeance, in Cologne, he only announced that the old concept of Leo was Eleonore Kliesen but he never said that Leo had got a gender. There’s also a tweet[4] about this
- Fan: I’m sure you get this question over and over again, but Leo’s gender is unknown, right? My friend keeps saying that Leo is a girl!!! Please answer!!!
- Harada: That was when the character’s name hadn’t even been finalized that it was a girl. But, midway, we completely revamped the concept. That’s how it is. So, officially, Leo is unknown.
To know other please, read the Japanese article.
Thanks to an user on gamefaqs

EDIT: Alright guys. There are a lot of proofs that confirms that Leo's gender always has been unknown. First of all, in the Nico Nico live (that you can find here[5]) Harada stated that Leo's gender always has been unknown. In Germany he never revealed Leo's gender but he only did a comment about its creation. However, he revealed Leo's old name (that has been used during the initial concept). Also, Harada stated that the video about Leo's gender revealing in Germany has been modified and it has been cut back and forth. He explained the presence of two swimsuits in Tag Tournament 2 by saying that they are for those who want Leo to be a male or a female. He even declared himself frustrated because western fans keep using female pronoun to refer to Leo. Also, there's another tweet about Leo's that confirms everything: this[6] and another where he reply to a fan's complaint about Leo's customs[7] because despite being of unknown sex, Leo had got only male customs. --Daniele199 (talk) 11:32, June 11, 2017 (UTC) 11:32, June 11, 2017 (UTC)

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